‘no anthroposophy, no steiner values’
This is a tricky one. My first reaction was: there are two alternative interpretations here, either the people at Leeds Steiner school don’t know what they’re doing or they’re trying to mislead or deceive the public. Neither alternative reflects very well on Leeds Steiner school, which is a member of the Steiner Waldorf Schools Fellowship (SWSF). But… and there is a but: the question asked provided the school with a cop-out. As everybody knows, waldorf schools claim they don’t teach the children anthroposophy or the teachings of Rudolf Steiner. This is a ‘truth’ worth discussing though. Sometimes what Steiner taught his anthroposophists is actually taught to waldorf school children. The teachers study Steiner’s work when they study to become teachers. (We’ve recently talked about history education and the culture epochs on an other blog thread; one might reasonably ask if this is not a school subject where the ‘facts’ of anthroposophy seep through to the students in a direct manner. And, in any case, teaching a subject such as eurythmy is to teach anthroposophy. What else would it be?) This said, anthroposophy is always indirectly present. Let me get to that.
But here’s the question that left Leeds Steiner school with the opportunity to exclaim ‘No anthroposophy, no Steiner values’:
First, no they won’t teach the national curriculum, they have their own Steiner curriculum. Second, here’s the problem. Steiner schools claim they don’t teach anthroposophy to students and, of course, if someone asks if they will be ‘teaching anthroposophy’, it’s pretty easy to deny it (and hope there won’t be any more questions). This does not mean that anthroposophy is not the foundation of the entire school down to every detail of the curriculum. This in no way implies the school isn’t immersed in anthroposophy. But Steiner schools aren’t supposed to teach anthroposophy; I think even Steiner was clear on that: the tenets of anthroposophy weren’t to be taught… but he doesn’t object to teaching some of the ‘facts’ derived from ‘spiritual research’ and waldorf schools have done so in the past and will most likely continue to do this (or at least they’re unable to distinguish between scientifically established facts and spiritual fancies and thus getting things mixed up due to ignorance).
All this means is basically that waldorf school teachers won’t stand in front of their classes giving lessons on anthroposophy. It’s more likely anthroposophy will never be mentioned, but still have a huge, though less direct, influence on everything that happens in the school, from the subjects that are taught, how they’re taught, when they’re taught to how teachers interact with students to the traditions and rituals that are observed. But anthroposophy won’t normally be talked about. (Given the influence it has, I think it should be talked about. The children, at least when they’re older, deserve to know about it, in a direct way, in order to help them make some sense of what they’ve experienced.)
This, unfortunately, means that Leeds Steiner school probably felt honest and upfront about the answer, even though it is, in effect, an answer with a potential to mislead. The reason is that people are possibly unaware that there exist, in this context, some welcome opportunities for waldorf schools to deny teaching anthroposophy while still operating fully according to anthroposophical beliefs and adhering strictly to ‘Steiner values’. As they should do, if they want the label ‘Steiner’.
Sometimes it appears as though, when speaking or writing publicly, Steiner schools would rather denounce Steiner and anthroposophy. They’d rather not be too tightly associated with Steiner’s name or with anthroposophy, even though they really should thank anthroposophy and Steiner, without whom they would just be… schools, and probably not very interesting ones at that. (Even the SWSF has wished to ‘rebut’ Steiner.)
I would seriously want to ask a school like the Leeds Steiner school why they’re so happy to announce their lack of committment to anthroposophy and Steiner values — if this is what they’re doing in the reply to Jan; certainly they don’t seem too eager to expand on their actual association with anthroposophy and we’ve certainly seen similar behaviour from other schools and waldorf proponents –, when, in fact, they’ve chosen to use the name ‘Steiner’ and when they’ve chosen to belong to the Steiner movement. Because, actually, Steiner, waldorf and anthroposophy are not concepts without content. They mean something, and choosing such a school (or avoiding it) is a decision based upon what these schools are. Well, at least — that is how it should be. But waldorf schools are sadly all too happy enrolling the children of uninformed parents — and are constantly surprised when it turns out that parents are sometimes not all that happy when they find out more.
As said, Leeds Steiner school is a member of the SWSF. This means the school has to adhere to the criteria set up by the SWSF.
SWSF, in turn, collaborates internationally. The anthroposophical movement’s pedagogical center is the pedagogical section at the Goetheanum, Dornach. The Hague Circle — now reportedly renamed the ‘International Forum’ — is one interesting entity to look at; The Hague Circle has held conferences on important topics, and I’d recommend Leeds Steiner school (and everyone else) to read more about this one, which is especially pertinent to the topic at hand here. SWSF’s membership criteria are perhaps a little less clear about anthroposophy than the Hague Circle is (see my earlier blog post for references). Nonetheless, the SWSF states that
Steiner Waldorf education centres are independent, self-administering bodies that have chosen to associate in order to promote, advance & develop the method of education, founded upon Spiritual Scientific activity & study as indicated by Rudolf Steiner.
Further down SWSF lists some provisions, among them
a) There has been adequate preparation, including anthroposophical study,
b) An Anthroposophical impulse lies at the heart of planning for the school, including the Waldorf curriculum
c) A registered company with charitable status has been established which includes a wording to the effect that the purpose of the activity is to provide education based upon the principles of Rudolf Steiner (or similar)
On SWSF’s website’s main page, it is stated that the purpose of the association is ‘to safeguard the Steiner ethos’. This, too, actually means something. They’re not just random words we don’t need to take seriously. (By the way, the SWSF’s own description of Steiner waldorf education is lamentably inadequate.)
Leeds Steiner school ought not be so eager and happy to announce ‘no anthroposophy, no Steiner values’. Instead they should make a real effort to explain what exactly this means and to make sure to represent, openly and honestly, the role of anthroposophy in the school.












another great post! Though sadly looking at Jim Wild’s recent comment on the Hereford article (Wild is behind the Leeds proposal) he is already well on the path, note how he completely ignores the previous comment written by an ex-pupil who feels utterly let down by the Steiner Academy Hereford:
Jim Wild says:
22 December, 2011 at 5:07 pm
‘[...]Perhaps many of us think of success in different terms. If you want the traditional success measures of loads of money and to be a high ranking boss of all, then yes you will need to exhibit traits that researcher Jon Ronson found “lack of empathy, lack of remorse, glibness, superficial charm, manipulativeness”. The traits of pycophaths appear high on the list of for many Chief Executives (not all granted! and the debate about measures of success could continue for ever).
My main gripe is the current state system leaves so many children without hope and a dislike of education, this is pretty criminal in many peoples minds, as well as a complete waste of time and money. When the measures of success are 5 A*-C at GCSEs (at which Steiner schools do very well at coincidentally) the border line children get extra encouragement, but those at the top and bottom are left out. At our proposed school we want all children to succeed, and of course we want them to be able to live and work in the real world. I agree with Ken Robinson and many others when they say the world is changing so fast that you need creativity and innovation, and to have a love of learning new things. [...] We need leaders, but we also need more doers and those doers need broad balanced education too, and not to be labelled and funnelled by a system that sees results in fixed terms’
http://positivenews.org.uk/2011/community/education/5763/whole-child-educational-approach-mainstream/#comment-7095
[Quote edited. /a]
mule — unfortunately, I may perhaps have to edit the quoted, since it’s his entire comment and I’d rather not end up getting in any trouble again. If I do it (I don’t know yet, can we assume he’s ok with being quoted in full…?), I’ll try to pick the important parts.
The comment before, written by an anymous poster was interesting. I agree that the art stuff is basically quite crap. You’re told you have to play the flute, whether you want or can, and you’re *never* told how to *in words*. How are you supposed to know, how are you supposed to improve, how are you supposed to get anything useful out of it at all?
Jim Wild wrote about psychopaths: “lack of empathy, lack of remorse, glibness, superficial charm, manipulativeness”. I don’t actually think you learn to be like that without having the gift for it (perhaps much like flute-playing, you really need both a gift and someone to teach you… or, in the case of waldorf, someone to mimic), but for someone who has the gift, I’m certain waldorf school provides a nurturing environment. Lack of empathy signified lots of what went on. The children seemed to excel at lacking empathy, lacking remorse, glibness, superficial charm… and I guess manipulative skills were being developed too. Could look at school leaders as role models perhaps?
You know, just to give an example, ignoring that children treat other children badly requires some lack of empathy.
‘My main gripe is the current state system leaves so many children without hope and a dislike of education, this is pretty criminal in many peoples minds, as well as a complete waste of time and money.’
That’s pretty much my gripe with waldorf education summed up neatly.
‘When the measures of success are 5 A*-C at GCSEs (at which Steiner schools do very well at coincidentally)’
They do? Didn’t the Steiner academy Hereford’s parents keep their children at home for some tests, I don’t know which ones? Isn’t there some evidence that the number of Steiner children who participate in these and other tests is low, and persumably the children part-taking are those who can be counted on to perform… not too badly?
‘At our proposed school we want all children to succeed, and of course we want them to be able to live and work in the real world.’
But what are they doing to achieve this? More of the same things steiner/waldorf schools have been doing for the last 90 years?
Also, I’d say, there’s little ‘creative’ in imitation, and imitate is what you learn to do. Imitate one wet-on-wet painting after another without ever being told why or how.
As for the article itself — http://positivenews.org.uk/2011/community/education/5763/whole-child-educational-approach-mainstream –, Trevor Mepham speaks of ‘an opportunity for more children from the locality to benefit from Steiner education’. I’d like to say that it isn’t always something a child benefits from. Quite the opposite. I’m disappointed that the article doesn’t mention anthroposophy or Rudolf Steiner.
whoops, completely forgot about that, edit away!
also if Jim Wild and his proposed Steiner School have nothing to hide, why is his twitter account private? https://twitter.com/#!/jimwild100
Maybe he hasn’t written anything and, as a Steiner proponent, feels embarrassed by the lack of creativity!
I think his appearance is more worrying.
https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/1362548353/IMAG0731.jpg
A mad punk horse with whiskers?
;-)
It’s typical for proponents of Steiner ed to exaggerate how very bad things are in other forms of education. Jim Wild describes ‘traditional success measures’ as if Alan Sugar were running a school (as his TV persona – obviously) and chucks in a daring amount of psychopathology in case his readers cling to a milder (and more realistic) version of academic success. Meanwhile he doesn’t give a stuff about Hereford’s casualties (which includes the residents of Much Dewchurch).
He may have a lot to hide, but I suspect it may be more that he has nothing original to say.
Really?
https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/1362548353/IMAG0731.jpg
Goodness.
anyway – this is a very fine post, Alicia. Honesty is the issue here – and it’s vitally important. These initiatives need to be honest with parents, and with themselves.
‘It’s typical for proponents of Steiner ed to exaggerate how very bad things are in other forms of education.’
Indeed. It happens again and again. Sometimes the bad stuff seems made up. Like there’s no place for creativity or individuality in mainstream education.
(Well, I’ll tell you were I personally found and did not find creativity. There was a lot more appreciation for creaticity — and many more students taking on creative paths in life, as far as I can tell, which perhaps isn’t very… far — in the academically oriented school compared to the waldorf school. It’s not as if knowledge prevents creativity. The kids can to what they want — be doctors or become painters. It takes talent, commitment, skills. knowledge… whatever you choose to do, it will require something, though, depending on the path, it may be different. And, for the education, the school, to be successful, it’s about providing opportunities — not closing doors. Waldorf, on the other hand, was about making the child adapt to the very special requirements of waldorf. And those were not somehow freer, rather more restricted. In my view, you had to relinquish your individuality, not develop it.)
When they’re talking creativity — and when they’re claiming they nurture it, while mainstream education is stifling it — I think parents would better be cautious and not take their word for it. It isn’t always what it seems to be. Just because waldorf *looks* different, it doesn’t mean they’re more accepting of individual differences and (actual) creativity among the students. Just because it looks different, it doesn’t mean that the students aren’t simply copying an entire concept from their teachers.
I agree with Melanie, This a very fine post and it is disturbing to me seeing another Steiner School putting up smoke screens and talking what amounts to propaganda.
I don’t know, but “no Anthroposophy, no Steiner values” just sounds like a throw-away comment from a public relations person who doesn’t understand what they’re promoting. It’s rather like meeting a sales person from an IT company who doesn’t really understand the product they’re selling – not an unusual situation! They just know it’s great and will solve all your problems.
The SWSF membership criteria document is intriguing. Look at the survey form for parents at the end, part of the assessment process leading to accreditation of a school as a full member of the SWSF. Parents are asked how strongly they agree or disagree with the statement “Anthroposophy is at the heart of the school”. I’d love to see some of the answers and reactions to that. I wonder if all parents are surveyed or just those attending ‘study groups’ etc.
Well, on twitter you’ve got to choose your words carefully. The Steiner-uninformed don’t know, upfront, that you can’t ask Waldorf educators “Is anthroposophy taught” because that’s giving them their favorite throwaway line, “No anthroposophy isn’t taught,” which is practically a custom-fit tweet. If you ask “Is anthroposophy at the heart of the school” the reply would have to be much different. (Then we’re perhaps be at least in the realm of the “elevator speech,” which is probably slightly longer than a tweet …)
Jan Rush unwittingly provided me with a very good illustration of what happens when somebody asks a question like that. Not that I couldn’t guess — I certainly could — but the short messages of twitter makes it very easy to use the exchange to highlight a certain phenomenon. I’m sure it’s a question some parents ask, parents who are a bit concerned about anthroposophy. They might ask exactly what Jan asked, and they might get exactly that reply. And, interpreting it incorrectly as ‘there won’t be anthroposophy’ and drawing conclusions from it, risk making the decisions.
This is something waldorf schools reps should think about when asking question (at least if satisfied customers, who don’t feel cheated on, is paramount) — for example, they might make sure the person understands that anthroposophy is the foundation of the school, even when they want to state it isn’t taught. To avoid misunderstandings. They should know that ‘no anthroposophy, no steiner values’ is a reply that can be misunderstood, if the other person is not aware of exactly what question was asked and the context. (And many prospective parents aren’t aware.)
I agree with Falk that it is putting up a smoke-screen, even if the answer is (sort of, but not entirely) true.
Like Mark, I reacted to that question — it’s really a question only anthroposophist parents would be capable of answering. Or non-anthroposophists who know a lot about it. Of course, some schools do provide some info on anthroposophy, but — this is a hunch I have — it’s often quite non-specific and general and made up of things everybody could interpret anyway they want and thus easily like. With that background, even parents who in reality know nothing about anthroposophy might be able to tick a box!
Yup. There are Waldorf parents who think they know a lot about anthroposophy who if you question more closely turns out they know basically nothing. They will get all indignant that critics say the schools are not upfront about anthroposophy. “Why, our Waldorf school was very upfront about anthroposophy. They told us all about anthroposophy at the open house and answered all our questions.” If you could be a fly on the wall at that open house, it would turn out that they were told something like, “Anthroposophy means ‘wisdom of man’. Steiner was an Austrian philosopher. He believed that man was a spiritual being. He also devised an educational system based on spiritual principles.” And the parent question was much like Jan Rush’s, “Is anthroposophy taught in this school?” and the answer was something like, “No. We do have Steiner study groups for the teachers though.”
… and this is what the parent means by “The school was upfront about anthroposophy.”
Arrrrrrgggh.
Haha! Not that it’s something to laugh about, really, but you put it well. That’s exactly the kind of stuff I was thinking of.
I had missed that Roger comments on this, in his news section.
‘Waldorf or Steiner schools almost always convey such beliefs and values. This is, after all, why the schools exist. [See "Here's the Answer".] However, the tenets of Anthroposophy may not be spelled out in so many words for the students. Instead, Anthroposophical instruction can be indirect and subtle, working on the level of emotion and attitude rather than intellect. Waldorf schools are much more interested in what their students feel than in what they think. Indeed, in Anthroposophy, the brain is considered an unreliable instrument and thinking is often deemed suspect. Rudolf Steiner taught that truth comes through the heart and the soul (and specifically through clairvoyance), not the brain.’
Read more here: https://sites.google.com/site/waldorfwatch/news-2
(You have to scroll down a bit, almost to the end of the page.)
I’d add one thing: I wish they had cared more for what students felt. They didn’t care what students thought, but to care for what they feel would have been… better than nothing.
Of course, I’m sure to them, caring for what students feel is what they do — it’s just a different kind of caring, based upon ‘higher’ insights rather than the actual feelings of the child.