in the tramcar with ahriman

‘If Anthroposophy were to adopt a fanatic attitude, if Anthroposophy were ascetic, it would thunder against the modern civilization based on electricity. Of course, this would be nonsense, for only world-conceptions that do not reckon with reality can speak in that way. They may say: “Oh, this is ahrimanic! Let us avoid it!” — But this can only be done in an abstract way. For the very people who thunder against Ahriman, and tell us to beware of him, go downstairs after their sectarian meeting and enter an electric tramcar! So that all their thundering against Ahriman, no matter how holy it may sound, is (excuse the trivial expression) simply rubbish. We cannot shut our eyes to the fact that we must live with Ahriman. But we must live with him in the right way, that is to say, we must not allow him to have the upper hand.’

From Steiner, R. Concerning Electricity.


7 thoughts on “in the tramcar with ahriman

  1. Yes, one of the real problems with Anthroposophy and the Steiner Schools is the fanatics. Unfortunately all spiritual movements seem to attract fanatics. They are the people who behave in a cultish way, are secretive, cannot listen to others telling the truh about their experiences and cannot bear valid criticism.

  2. True. And I sometimes get the impression that steiner schools and the steiner school movement are worse in this regard than anthroposophy itself. It may be a bit surprising, perhaps. Or perhaps not: the fact that the educational branch of anthroposophy targets — to an important degree — non-anthroposophists may contribute to it. In that there’s more opportunity for friction between worlds and ideas and that the schools stand to lose something (reputation, customers, et c). Anthroposophy is in certain senses less dependent on what the rest of the world thinks.

    And, indeed, all spiritual movements attract fanaticism. Or they breed it. The difference is, most of them don’t run schools, so they attract criticism for other reasons than anthroposophy.

  3. @Zooey:

    I would like to connect this way this thread (“in the tramcar with ahriman”) to other threads, especially the threads “supervising the attacks”, “the sect”, and “ego”, where education has been discussed. All of the discussions have connection to

    @ThetisMercurio and the few:
    “All of the fruit and veg at our farm were undersized and had a short shelf life. Any good ones were held up as examples and were more of a fluke year than anything to do with the farming method.
    On top of that, once a farmer goes biodynamic, it takes about 7 years before his soils are completely depleated of nutrient balance. By then, he has been ranting and raving to others about how great the system is and how much money he is saving without all those horrible NPK combos. However, when the fertility finally is exhausted, he has to sick to the story he has been telling or face a huge embarrassment. It’s at this point that he starts cheating. I won’t say anymore than that.”
    and Stuart:
    “… Biodynamics is gaining acceptance and I find the whole business dangerous to our society and culture, because they believe in fantasies and the occult instead of reality. In addition, they are claiming superiority to other farming paradigms and with the current zeitgeist for all things green, the wine writing community tends to be supportive of them.
    and Stuart:
    “There is a great stuff in his [Steiner’s] early lecture about the ‘Progress of Mankind…’ which includes the Atlanteans airships’ which were propelled by using organic, germinating power of plants. … Stu”

    The cheating to save the face, the claiming superiority always present, Steiner’s lectures, (and: what was it, Atlantean Academy , Reiki healing ?)

    It is all connected.

  4. correction: “depleated” shall be “depleted”.
    My mistake. I had to type it, couldn’t juct cut&paste from Stuart’s blog.

    the cheating to save the face, the claiming superiority always present, Steiner’s lectures, all this has been seen in the discussions about waldorf schools.

  5. @ThetisMercurio

    I see that you have pointed to my comment via Twitter.
    I write this note so that there will be no misunderstanding as for what “ex-Waldorf teacher” means in my case:

    I have answered a regular ad for teaching job, an ad in the most regular place for job ads in Sweden, Platsbanken.
    The ad was formed so as it looked as meaning a regular teacher at a Waldorf School. I have never been a Waldorf teacher (educated in Waldorf pedagogy).

    Now I understand (at least I believe I do) why the ad was for a regular teacher.

    When at the interview, and when signing the contract, few things appeared “a little odd”, but I wanted to give it a try.

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