fire breathers

‘A teacher: But there are still the fire breathers.
Dr. Steiner: Yes, those beasts, they did breathe fire, the Archaeopteryx, for example.
A teacher: You mean that animals whose bones we see today in museums still breathed fire?
Dr. Steiner: Yes, all of the dinosaurs belong to the end of the Tertiary Period. Those found in the Jura are actually their descendants. What I am referring to are the dinosaurs from the beginning of the Tertiary Period. The Jurassic formations are later, and everything is all mixed together. We should treat nothing pedantically. The Secondary Period lies before the Tertiary and the Jurassic belongs there as does the Archaeopteryx. However, that would actually be the Secondary Period. We may not pedantically connect one with the other.’ [Faculty Meetings, p 26.]

Previous discussion here. Above St George, on his horse, slaying the dragon.

13 thoughts on “fire breathers

  1. They didn’t die out either… I think they evolved into the Waldorf teachers that hover around the cigarette-butt cans at the entrances of Waldorf schools…

  2. Oh no, waldorf teachers are not that cool. They’re not dragons with inbuilt flamethrowers. They wish they were, perhaps (at least it would be a handy way of dealing with pesky critics), but they’re not.

    If it’s them, they certainly devolved rather than evolved…

  3. Well, this is said to be a statue of St George — it’s a copy of a statue that’s in a church here ( As it happens, this evening I found an article on Michael and it also mentions George. I will post about it tomorrow. (I like to keep the readers on the edge with suspense. Also, I haven’t read the entire article yet.)

    That Demetrius looks like the same guy. Maybe they’re like Sune. They take on various fake personas. Maybe St George is like Eva, Michael’s Mumsnet handle but in the higher worlds, obviously. And Demetrius is like Mycroft. Or perhaps there are more dragon-slayers out there!

    He’s St Göran or St Örjan in Swedish. And then also: ‘Sankt Georg, Sankt Jörgen, Riddar Örjan, lat. Sanctus Georgius’.

    He’s the guardian saint of Stockholm, too! AND OH!! LOL! The hospital, St Erik, where I was born is supposedly named after him. According to the wiki article. Michaelic forces have been with me all my life ;-) What will Ahriman say!?

    The anthro article I’ll quote tomorrow seems to see St:s George and Michael as basically the same, but according to wiki, they’re not: ‘Quite often he is seen, like Saint George and in some representations of the Madonna, in conflict with a dragon or standing upon a vanquished devil, who most of the time is Satan.’

    This is very complicated… I think in waldorf, st Örjan was also spoken about (never st George) but I can’t figure out the details. Örjan appears in some names (one name of a school, e g).

  4. the gnomes are trying to befriend a dragon to keep as a pet for protection against waldorf teacher. If this does not succeed, they’ll buy a modern flamethrower instead.

  5. Raphael painted both:

    This may give us an impression of his impression of the differences…

    While St. George had a virginal figure looking on… St. Michael ‘s audience was apparently naked zombies and more dead dragons… St. George had the benefit of a horse and armor… while St. Michael barely has charge over his own skirt.

  6. That’s a very interesting picture of Michael…

    Another thing: st George is often depicted with a princess, whom he rescues. I have a hunch — unverified — that Michael isn’t, it’s just him and the dragon.

  7. That’s true. A quick search of Michael images reveals there’s never a maiden in sight.

    I guess there are variations – St. Barbar:

    St. Michael’s Dad?

    (Pssst… Dad… watch out for your private parts there… whew?)

    Hey what’s this? His kids are helping him in this one…

    [Edit: link shortened /a.]

  8. I just remembered one Michael-picture I posted on the blog long ago, It’s quite nice:

    But, ha ha! Lovely idea, Babar as archangel!

    The third picture is pretty brutal — but interestingly, that dragon looks a bit like a dinosaur (more than usual).

    (PS. I’ll edit and shorten the third of your links, Pete — for some reason, it doesn’t break up properly on several lines.)

  9. I realized this morning that I have an entire book on St George and that statue. Browsing through it, I discovered that Kandinsky — the abstract painter who was into anthroposophy — painted ‘St George’ many times. The book speculates that the paintings symbolize the spiritual artist in the battle against the evil materialists. It does not mention the Michael myth in anthroposophy though — and I wonder if that stuff was not a greater inspiration to Kandinsky than the ‘traditional’ St George myths?

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